We took a look at the roadside ice areas from Chapel Pond up through Cascade Pass. As of yesterday (12/7/16) we wouldn't call anything "in". There is a fair amount of thin ice building on the normal routes but don't expect much thickness. Running water was frequently found which should set up nice with the forecasted cold temps coming this way. We walked back into the NFoP and found slightly better conditions but again, we would hesitate to call any of the routes back there "in" as of yesterday. Arm and Hammer and Moss Gyhll were both climbed and offered fun climbing on thin ice with a sometimes non-inspiring bond to the rock behind it. Protection was minimal.